Curse

Alleji · Mar 19, 2008, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Unless you mean a complete server wipe that deletes everything, you'd piss off a lot of people who's mains are non-core characters.

No need for a rollback, just start a prophecies-only server. That way nothing gets deleted and people who want proph-only PvE or PvP can start over.

I'd reroll on that. Hell, I'd probably even pay for it (because I understand it wouldn't be in anet's business interests to start a new server that won't sell more games).

cellardweller · Mar 19, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Remove:
PVE Skills
In game title effects
L1-19
Lack of henchment in elite zones

Keep:
Easily Achieved Max Level
Easily achieved max gear

Saint Zeth · Mar 19, 2008, 12:32 AM // 00:32

Keep:
Hard Mode
Treasure Chests
Dungeons

Remove:
Heroes
Loot Scaling
PvE Skills
Assassins

creelie · Mar 19, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by fenix

The funny thing is, as this list grows, there will be a trend. People don't like Heroes, Titles, the Inscription system, the new classes and the PvE only stuff. Funny thing is, that'll be what Anet will be relying on for GW2.

I BET GW2 PvE will have all this crap except 100x worse...regardless of the community's dislike for it.

This isn't really the community. It's a tiny pocket of OCD-type personalities crying a river.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alleji

No need for a rollback, just start a prophecies-only server. That way nothing gets deleted and people who want proph-only PvE or PvP can start over.

Or you could make and play prophecies-only characters. Every now and then you might still see a man in a skirt or a person using a build that is less than 3 years old, but nothing's perfect.

SonicTHI · Mar 19, 2008, 01:15 AM // 01:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

Keep: Everything.

Remove: Players that bitch about the game being bad.

Add: More campaigns.

/sign (with 12 chars)

street peddler · Mar 19, 2008, 01:17 AM // 01:17

this thread already exists in the assassin forum...*cough*

Kerwyn Nasilan · Mar 19, 2008, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Keep everything as is

If anyhting old favor system would be nice.

And if my opinion is worth anything I would like to see how these people complaining about NF/Factions/EotN would be saying at this day if nothing new was ever released. People say they are bored with the game now, imagine only proph.

Rexion · Mar 19, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

remove buyable titles (i.e. drunkard/sweet tooth/party animal)
remove farm/grind titles (i.e. Sunspear, all of the EotN titles)

Productivity · Mar 19, 2008, 02:26 AM // 02:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scary

This makes me worry....Delete necromancers

. Go see a shrink please

The history of necromancers (as well as the expansion professions) has revolved entirely around gimmicks that have a power level way beyond the skill required to use them. These classes have been created around flawed mechanics. While some of these classes are now finding strong templates that are not inherently abusive and have a positive contribution, this does not counteract the huge negative impact they have had over their previous years. Meanwhile, they still have gimmicky crap out there that is allways threatening to break something.

Either delete the classes or entirely rework them. Either way, I don't want to see any of those five classes in GW2 with the same design problems that they currently have.

Saint Zeth · Mar 19, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Lets just take out every class except Warriors, Elementalists, and Monks.

genofreek · Mar 19, 2008, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Quote:

Dump:

Titles which influence the game.

Absolutely.

Everything else, from Togo's voice to elite PvE skills and timed missions, I can put up with. Some of the things, like heroes, I use often and love. But valuable skills being retarded by my unwillingness to grind? Boo, Anet. Very boo.

Lord Sojar · Mar 19, 2008, 05:05 AM // 05:05

Remove:

PvE

Keep:
PvP

Brianna · Mar 19, 2008, 05:24 AM // 05:24

Remove: Everything.

Keep: Login screen. Then when everyone logs in, you get rick rolled by the song playing in the background, and your characters scripted to dance along with it.

NeonXero · Mar 19, 2008, 05:40 AM // 05:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna

Remove: Everything.

Keep: Login screen. Then when everyone logs in, you get rick rolled by the song playing in the background, and your characters scripted to dance along with it.

I think that could work - but we would need a new log-in screen to get people excited about the new "Never Gonna Give You Up" campaign.

Also maybe add an option when (if you still can) log in... either
A) I'm signing in to actually play the game.
or
B) I'm signing in so that I can find things about the game that I don't like and want to complain about.

Brianna · Mar 19, 2008, 05:44 AM // 05:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeonXero

I think that could work - but we would need a new log-in screen to get people excited about the new "Never Gonna Give You Up" campaign.

Also maybe add an option when (if you still can) log in... either
A) I'm signing in to actually play the game.
or
B) I'm signing in so that I can find things about the game that I don't like and want to complain about.

Ok, if that would happen then Option A would let you play, and Option B would be more Rick Rolling, but I like the first idea more.

bj91x · Mar 19, 2008, 06:00 AM // 06:00

Keep
The few players I can find to co-op with these days.

Remove
The lack of players I can find to co-op with these days.

Sirius-NZ · Mar 19, 2008, 07:13 AM // 07:13

My idea of an ideal Guild Wars can't really be made by taking bits out. You have to add bits in, probably redesign quite a substantial part of the game to be honest. Still, you can probably bend some of these into "removing" certain things if you wish.

PvE:
Firstly the plot. Guild Wars being ... Guild Wars, I would prefer to see a story related to that. Instead we got a typical good-versus-evil plot that betrays its probable origins as a sideshow to the PvP element of the game; but it would be nicer to see a little more warfare going on there. The strength of that is you can have a campaign where the heroes and villains are ... pretty much a matter of opinion, rather than laid out for you in simple terms. There are precious few examples of people who really are evil; they generally just have twisted ideas of what is good.

I doubt GW2 will quite go there either - maybe down the track but the dragons idea doesn't really sound like it unless we find out they're not really evil (which would be another RPG cliche...!), but I can at least live without it as long as the storytelling is reasonable. And the characters a bit less superficial. You don't necessarily get a lot of time for character development in an RPG, but a little less predictability would help. (I recall Kurzicks and Luxons here; they seem to hate each other just for the sake of it. Surely we can come up with better reasons than that.)

OK, now for the world. Still too small. While this may, at least to some extent, never be solved, the envelope could be pushed further by manually creating only the most important areas and implementing the rest of them procedurally. I don't advocate abolishing map travel, and simply making maps so much bigger would necessitate faster transport from A to B for even that to work (never mind without it!), but sometimes I want it to feel like the Shiverpeaks are really that damn big. Procedural content generation would allow huge worlds without hiring enough artists to fill a small government department, and also without taking several dozen gigabytes on your hard drive (since they would only exist when you were actually in the area, technically).

Thirdly, bigger battles. GW feels a bit small-scale at times, which I think we can beat these days. Who's up for a little bit of Helm's Deep?

And while I'm at it, at least in PvE I would like to see more firepower on the part of the player characters. It gets crazy, and I know, it's strictly not realistic to fight off four trolls at once by yourself, but it's fun dammit, and seems a lot more epic.

And that brings me to my fourth point; separation of PvE from PvP. I don't mean PvE characters can't PLAY PvP, but I do mean they use a different skill set. Or the same skills, but they work differently. This means balancing for one doesn't carry over into the other, which is good because altering skills in PvE is rarely actually necessary and mostly upsets people.

Fifthly, I'd like something to DO when you've got all your skills, equipment, whatever. Some might say "dungeons", or FoW/UW etc, but you run out of those pretty fast. Others will say "PvP", and I actually tend to agree with them right now; PvP gives you a continuing challenge and never gets old.

But I'd like to be able to "join in the fight" PvE-style. Perhaps, now that I'm done preparing, I can join in the war against my faction's enemies, who may gain and lose ground depending on my efforts and the efforts of those around me? And who, if computer-controlled, will react to what's going on - come up with strategies and daring assaults to counter our own, and so provide some challenges by keeping us on our toes? (This is sounding a lot like world PvP now.)

Or maybe, instead, there could be new challenges every so often. Every month, week, whatever. A new ultra-deadly boss turns up and the first couple hundred people who figure out how to defeat it earn some kind of reward. Or recognition, since I hypothetically might not be needing those rewards any more (minipets might do though!). This puts pressure on the content creators of course, but it gives people things to do and prepare for.

PvP:
OK, to be honest I don't know as much about this side of things, so it's difficult to make recommendations for, but I shall try.

Firstly, a rationalisation is in order. We have game modes kind of just for the sake of having them; Aspenwood and the Jade Sea hardly get touched, while the only reason AB does is probably because it's easier than HA or something. Less game modes and more focus in what they're trying to cater to would be good.

Secondly, balance. The favourite bugbear of many. While everyone seems to jump to suggesting that ArenaNet fire Izzy and find someone more competent, I'm not so sure. Perhaps more familiarity with top-end GvG would do some good, but I wouldn't be surprised if people would still complain that some skills got nerfed and not others. I suspect what would make the whole show easier, strangely enough, is less skills. Less skills means less strange combinations and less fantastic ways to break things. Also, ideally the game should have been designed from the outset to be balanced - by looking at the ways things can break and working out how to avoid them. That way you reduce the endless ad-hoc balancing that may go the other way simply because the current fashion is X instead of Y again.

Unfortunately, this is impossible to get completely right without total homogeneity. There will always be slightly unbalanced things out there - Starcraft, which was one of the most cleverly balanced games I can think of considering how different the races were, had its own issues. But having 1000 skills to work out all the problems with seems to me to be making the problem artificially hard for yourself, especially when you have to try so hard to ensure not only that none are overpowered, but that there isn't a huge underclass of underpowered skills as is currently the case. (Has anyone found a use for Tease yet?)

Thirdly and finally I think for now, world PvP... I'm glad to hear it's in GW2 because it will provide a much better stepping stone for people to get into PvP - but I really wish it were in the original game. Provides most of the benefits of random arenas - join whenever you like, don't need to find people to play with you - without all the problems of, well, randomness, such as finding out you have a sucky build. It's unlikely that any group of a hundred people will be substantially worse than the other group of a hundred, unless, say, only noobs really like the Charr or something. (Which, I concede, is possible.)

arsie · Mar 19, 2008, 07:19 AM // 07:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

PvE:
Firstly the plot. Guild Wars being ... Guild Wars, I would prefer to see a story related to that...

Hear hear, there's way too little Guild Wars in Guild Wars. I think they realised this and wrote it into Factions in the form of Am Fah and Jade Brotherhood and stuff, but those guys are just a bunch of thugs no player wants to associate themselves with.

Outposts along the game could be "owned" by fictitious NPC guilds instead of racial/national factions.

Operative 14 · Mar 19, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20

Remove:
Titles that have anything to do with or affect game play like LB, SS, GW:EN race titles....

Keep:
Titles that are aesthetic only and don't affect anything, like sweet tooth, survivor, party animal, drunkard...
Everything else.

Buzzer · Mar 19, 2008, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

wow...

I'll just say this: I think you're playing the wrong game.